October 2019

#386: Born to Run Author Chris McDougall Talks about His New Book

Sarah and Molly catch up with Chris McDougall, author of the acclaimed book Born to Run, who talks about running with a donkey (!!), the topic of his just-out book, Running with Sherman. Lots of laughs, plus talk of:

-the joy and fun of running with animals;

-the growing popularity of burro racing;

-the status of the film version of Born to Run; and,

-the barefoot running craze.

In the introduction, Sarah and Molly talk about meditation and Sarah’s debut #SportsBraSquad run. Chris hops in at 9:20.

Please note: The word “ass” (aka “donkey”) gets bandied about a lot on this episode.

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Mother Runner of the Month: Alli Leatherman

Alli celebrating a 58-minute PR in her second marathon. “My first marathon in February 2017 was in New Orleans, and the temps were near 80 during much of the race. I ended up battling muscle cramps and just barely finished before the course time limit. I did my second marathon in January 2019 at the local Blues Marathon with much better conditions–and a much better time!”

 

Please meet our Mother Runner of the Month this month: Alli Leatherman, a 34-year-old science teacher, dancer and mother to an eight-year-old daughter in Jackson, Mississippi.

Alli nominated herself for the award (“One of my words for 2019 is brave,”), and once we read more, we knew we had to share her perspective.

“I believe in the power of movement. It goes beyond the physical benefits. We #motherrunners talk about it all the time: the mental boost, the feeling like we are the best version of ourselves when we run,” she says, “And the idea that something transcends the physical is the heart of art. The power of good art is so much more than the physical parts that make it up. When we move, we are changed. When we are changed, we inspire others to change!”

Running Roots: While I was pregnant with my daughter, my dad talked my husband into running a Thanksgiving 5k with him. I decided that I would run it with them the next year. On the Fourth of July weekend in 2011, when my daughter was just over 2 months, I did my first run on an indoor track. I wore a maternity polo shirt and yoga pants with terrible cheap shoes and double nursing bras. I ran a quarter-mile twice, with walking in between, but I was determined to get ready for that 5k! Even though I’d been a dancer for many years, this was a whole different realm of athleticism and I found a lot of pride as I conquered each new milestone.

My dad, husband, and two sisters ran the Turkey Trot that year and it became a family tradition for several years. One year, we decided to do an epic shot post-race: it’s one of my favorite photos ever.

Dancing Roots:  I’m not sure I remember not dancing! My family took a vacation to Holland, MI, when I was two. We saw a show with dancers in wooden shoes, and the story is that I kept dancing around the house like the “wooden shoe girls” afterward. I don’t remember the trip, but I believe the story!

I started formal dance training in 1st grade after my Girl Scout troop visited a local dance studio to earn a badge. I only took a few months before the studio closed; as it was the only studio in the small town I lived in, I had to quit for a year before the parks and rec department started offering some dance classes. We moved from Wisconsin to Texas when I was 12, and I was able to attend a more serious studio and really delved into dance.

A Typical Dancing/Running Week: I regularly rehearse twice a week for a few hours, though it’s often more leading up to a performance. I run 3-4 times a week, between 3-8 miles at a time when I’m not training for something. Being the director of our company, Intersect Dance Theatre, has given me the freedom to cut back on performances during training cycles; I’ve also had to learn that sometimes, I have to pull back on the running to focus on dance.

Shunning Running: Growing up in dance, we were always told not to run. Teachers warned that it would ruin our knees or make us have bulky quads. As someone who is built short and sturdy (not ideal for ballet class!), I was hesitant to do anything that might “shorten my lines.” And I naively thought that dancing was exercise enough and I was in pretty good shape–maybe I’d do some Pilates or stretching, but who needed to run?

My college roommate, Rachael, also a dancer and mother, has taken up running since watching my journey on social media. We were able to run together last year when we were in the same place for another friend’s wedding. (My husband is photobombing on his unicycle.)

On Second Thought: Once I started to run, many things in dance became easier because I was strengthening muscles I didn’t realize were weak. And my cardiovascular fitness improved immensely! Dance is really an anaerobic pursuit outside of dance fitness classes. In technique class, we dance full out for maybe a minute or two, then spend 10 minutes listening to the teacher or waiting for our turn. Performances are really the only time dancers would be moving for longer periods of time, but even then it tends to be more like sprints than marathons.

Dancing Through the Miles: I also think dancing has made me a better runner. For one, I’m used to concentrating on details of what muscles I’m using and how I’m moving, so thinking about form comes pretty naturally. Dancing has also helped me with the mental game; in my first 5k, I had several songs on my playlist that I had danced to in the past. I’d go through the choreography in my head and tell myself that I could keep pushing until the end of the song because I’d done it before! That’s a difficult thing about dance performance–you don’t have the option to pace yourself or pull back when you get tired. Sometimes you have to just will yourself to keep going.

About that Keep Going Thing: I broke my foot while on stage, about a minute into a 4-minute duet with my husband. I landed a jump on the side of my foot and heard a crack. Not really sure what to do, I got up and somehow managed to make it through the rest of the piece. As we were walking off the stage, I whispered to my husband that I thought I had broken my foot. He laughed, thinking I was exaggerating. He had noticed my fall, but figured it couldn’t be that bad since I finished the dance! That injury resulted in 4 months on crutches, lots of cross-training, and a six-month break from running.

My husband and I often teach nontraditional dance partnering workshops. (We we focus on the mechanics of two bodies working together rather than on the traditional female statue with a male kickstand.) It’s not uncommon for someone to end up a bit teary (in a good way) during the class. Everyone in the class will get lifted at some point, and everyone will do the lifting at some point. For some, finding that they can be vulnerable and share their weight and be accepted is a huge moment. Others find that they are a lot stronger than they thought.

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BONUS EPISODE: Taper Nutrition + Living Nourished Like a Mother

In this special episode, Dimity and nutritionist Ellie Kempton share the details of Ellie’s Two-Week Nutrition Taper Plan, which spells beautifully what to do two weeks out from a race to keep yourself healthy and ready to hit the starting line. In addition, Ellie shares 11 Race Week Recipes, including a delicious yogurt-marinated chicken (and explains why yogurt is the perfect marinade as you taper). Whether you’re racing or not, we invite you to join us for Living Nourished Like a Mother: Fall, a vibrant program that blends the flavors of fall with the natural rhythms of the season. The result? Among other benefits, you’ll tap into four weeks of helpful order, both in your life (think rituals + habits) and in your belly (no more bloat!).

Dry Martini: Snot, Sweat, and Tears

On Friday, I finished my last long run of a dozen miles of my training cycle for the Revel Mt. Lemmon half. It was good enough.

The first three miles were great, mind. Fall has definitely arrived here. The leaves are stunning and the temps are chilly. Friday morning was also damp and windy. I wasn’t sure if it was actively raining or just super foggy. A little of both, I imagine.

I was super foggy, too. I’ve spent the last few weeks waking up at 2 a.m. for reasons unknown. Most of the time, I can drift off again. Some of the time, I just lie there with my eyes closed and fret about things I can do absolutely nothing about at 2 a.m. Thursday night was one of those.

Still, the long run waits for no runner. I needed to hit the road for the Rhinebeck Sheep and Wool Festival, which is one of the better weekends in the world if you are a knitter. So I hauled myself out of bed and ran.

I didn’t run in Rhinebeck this weekend. I did make a friend.

After those first three miles, a significant volume of the fluids in my body decided to leak out. My nose would not stop running and my eyes would not stop watering. My bladder, which is usually well behaved, decided to get in on the act. Finding a bathroom just seemed like too much work. At that point, given how damp I already was from the snot and tears and fog/drizzle, I just let it go.

And go again.

And again.

When I got home, I squished up the stairs to my bedroom. I stripped everything off, left my nasty clothes in a heap on my rain jacket on the bed, and lumbered into the shower. I’d take my clothes to the washer when I had more energy.

The poetic part of my brain wondered if my body was simply remembering what happened this time last year. As part of the Another Mother Runner Cape Cod retreat, I ran the most epic race of my life: 13.1 miles in a nor’easter. While the last four miles of that run tested my limits — I was so cold and so wet and so over it — it is a race convinced me I was a badass.

As I’m writing this column, I’m also running a load of post-Rhinebeck laundry so that I can pack for this year’s retreat out in Falmouth. It doesn’t look like we’ll be faced with lashing rain and gale-force winds during the race this year. That’s one reason why I decided not to run it again. Once you’ve run a course under epic conditions, anything less seems like cheating.

Also: I’m saving my legs for Tucson. Running Cape Cod would have thrown off my taper. I respect the taper because it gives me an excuse to not push-and-push-and-push all the time. Once that last long run is done, I love to lean into the glide path to race day.

Speaking of …

That heap of pee-soaked running clothes stayed in a heap on my bed. While I was in the shower, my brain helpfully connected two observations for me.

Observation #1: Our big dog immediately jumped onto the bed as I left the room for the shower. He spends most of his morning asleep there so this wasn’t unusual. I thought nothing of it at the time.

Observation #2: Both dogs have a routine where, if one pees on familiar turf like our backyard, the other must pee on it, too. Which prompts the first to pee on it again, and so on. They’ll keep at this until distracted by whatever other thoughts wander through their heads.

Between shampoo and conditioner, the thought clicked. My bed is familiar turf and currently smells like pee, which might lead one dog to begin the potentially endless pee cycle. If this started, I was about to do a lot more laundry than anticipated. And, because one of the dogs can hold gallons of urine, was probably about to buy a new mattress.

Never have I ever finished up a shower so quickly. I whipped a towel around myself and dashed into the bedroom. I’d already formulated a plan to deal with the worst of the damage. It involved our shop-vac and all of the old towels that I wanted to get rid of anyway.

Life is full of surprises. Rather than face a sodden Serta, I was greeted by a dog who’d buried his snout deep into my nasty gear and fallen asleep. The other dog was stretched out on the floor near him. Both were ticked that I’d woken them up.

Truth be told, I’m a little bummed I won’t have a reason to buy new towels and a mattress. I do vow, however, to make the washing machine my first stop after a long, gross run.

Vaguely related question: What should I do in Tucson
(besides run 13.1 miles, of course)?

#385: Honing Your Running Passion with Author Brad Stulberg

Sarah and Coach Amanda explore up—and the down—sides of pursuing passions with Brad Stulberg, co-author of The Passion Paradox: A Guide to Going All in, Finding Success, and Discovering the Benefits of an Unbalanced Life. In this thought-provoking conversation, the trio discusses:

-how passion can be a gift or a curse;

-the difference between obsessive and harmonious passion;

-the critical importance of rest—and patience;

-how to get over a disappointing race finish; and,

-the benefits of getting older.

The mother runners talk parenting in the intro, including the value of occasionally loosening the reins on teens. Brad joins the conversation at 13:12.

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#384: Convo with Olympian Carrie Tollefson

Sarah and Dimity have a sit-down with Olympian—and beloved Minnesota native—Carrie Tollefson during a podcast party at the Twin Cities Marathon expo. During the trio’s conversation, Carrie covers:

-her training for her second marathon (the day after the recording);

-what her life-and-running credo, “Get after it,” means to her;

-what “nighttime fitness” is, and what its results can be (!);

-her favorite speed workouts; and,

-detailed advice on black toenails.

No intro chitchat—the three mother runners jump right in.

Find the audio version of Sarah and Dimity’s first book, Run Like a Mother: How to Get Moving and Not Lose Your Family, Job, or Sanity, wherever you get audiobooks.

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