Sarah and Tish Hamilton delve into perfectionism—what it is, what it does to us, how to overcome it—with Kathryn Ely, a licensed counselor and host of the Imperfect Thriving podcast. A self-professed “anxious perfectionist,” Kathryn lays out:

-traits and behaviors of perfectionism; 
-why perfectionism can trip you up—in running and everyday life; 
-how (and why!) to give yourself permission to be a beginner; 
-the power (both positive and negative) of self-talk; and 
-what type of therapy can work best for overcoming perfectionism. 

In the liberal arts-y intro, Sarah and Tish talk poetry, wildflowers, and sunrises (!!); Kathryn makes a perfectly timed entrance at 10:43.

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