Sarah and Dimity have a sit-down with Jay Dicharry, a well-respected sports psychologist, biomechanics expert, and author of the recently released Running Rewired: Reinvent Your Run for Stability, Strength & Speed. A lightbulb will go off when Jay makes an analogy involving 400-pound snatches in CrossFit to explain why runners get injured. The trio discuss how to develop as an athlete, not just a runner, and Jay posits we are adapted to run, not born to run. He stresses the importance of being a more dynamic, diverse, and durable runner—then goes into detail on how to achieve that aim. This leads to a conversation about the importance of taking care of all of you, not just your heart and lungs. For Sarah, Jay convincingly debunks the adage, “You can’t teach an old dog new tricks.” There’s talk about the joy of seeing progress in the weight room, then Jay details exercises and drills to make you move smarter. Jay shares a realistic Rx on how often to do certain types of moves to enjoy lifelong success in running. Nuun-chug word for this episode: bear crawl.

In the intro, laugh as Dimity tells a tale of the Petites in Pilates, then listen to the two tall co-hosts debate the difference height makes in cycling and fitness studios. Jay joins the conversation at 25:02.

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